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Negative Berlin reviews

June 17, 2009
Mike Patton in Berlin (c) dpa

Mike Patton in Berlin (c) dpa

Both Tagesspiegel and Die Tageszeitung have posted less than glowing reviews of last night’s Berlin concerts. The former leads with the headline “Faith No More: We Care a little bit” and opens by commenting that FNM’s playing of the Poker Face cover after playing a Barbie Girl cover in 1996 is nothing “more than the re-performance of a faded joke with changed parameters”. Going on, it complains FNM do not change the parameters enough otherwise and while praising Patton’s rich vocals, the reviewer slates Jon Hudson’s guitar playing as “shockingly lifeless” The conclusion they give is that Faith No More are unsure of what role they should be playing in the current pop music firmament which seems , which seems a very oblique and indeed irrelevant comment.

Tageszeitung is also critical of the band, arguing that the “music, with atrocious synth surfaces and slap-bass dullness, is no longer kickass”  but full of praise for Patton’s vocal miracles. It concludes with the pay-off that Patton is just “so damn good” but that Faith No More are now totally redunant.

Please note that these are not profesional translations and gleaned from various translation tools and pidgin German so if any German speaking reader can come up with any better interepretations of the germane German criticisms that would be greatly appreciated.

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42 Comments leave one →
  1. Jason permalink
    June 17, 2009 4:09 pm

    Why do you keep posting this negative bull crap?

    I LOVE this site and LOVE what your doing and I understand that u want to be open to all points of view but I dont wanna come to this site and have see jackasses disssing fnm… !

    Thanks for all your hard work on this site, I TRULY appreciate it.

    • monaghanunited permalink*
      June 17, 2009 4:11 pm

      I’m trying to post most reviews I find but you might have a point in that these reviews don’t deserve any more prominence than the positive ones. By the way, I’ll be updating the site later to have all reviews and the set list for each gig in one place.

      • Bren permalink
        June 17, 2009 5:23 pm

        I don’t see the problem in posting the negative reviews, it gives readers a broad view of whats being said.

        Great job with the site by the way – a brilliant resource. Keep it up

    • David Frame permalink
      June 17, 2009 4:30 pm

      I have to agree. Commercial music critics can be laughably irrelevant, especially when they lack the most basic background knowlege and/or fundamental ‘gist’ of a given band. It’s even funnier when they pretend otherwise.

      I don’t really see the point in posting their reviews (positive or negative) unless they genuinely present themselves as being fans of the band.

  2. omri permalink
    June 17, 2009 4:23 pm

    yeah, i see no point of posting all the negative reviews. its the same fuckers that made them quit last time around, there’s no point to this – just superficial stupid predictable 21st century “reviewing” by stupid young twats.

  3. Lea permalink
    June 17, 2009 4:31 pm

    As a Native speaker of German I would say that the reviews are pretty well translated. I also would like to add that the TAZ (Tageszeitung) is a very critical, maybe even slightly cynical paper, so it isn’t unusual that the review is not all that positive. It even surprised me that they praise Patton’s talent so much.

    I don’t know much about the Tagesspiegel because I never read this paper, but there’s already an evil comment to the review (saying that it is totally boring and badly written) which made me smile a little. 🙂

  4. Thorsten permalink
    June 17, 2009 5:13 pm

    The band does not care at all about critics’ comments. So why should we?

    • VTEC375 permalink
      September 26, 2009 5:04 pm

      RIGHT FUCKING ON!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. June 17, 2009 5:31 pm

    I appreciate you posting good and bad reviews.
    It is at least interesting to read people’s opinion, even when we disagree with them.

    Thanks for all the effort.
    This blog is the best source for FNM news on the web.

  6. Richard permalink
    June 17, 2009 5:35 pm

    A lot of people just don’t get Faith No More and I think that’s fine. I love them myself so when I see a negative review it doesn’t really bother me. In fact it almost makes me feel like I’m in on something that most of the world is oblivious to.

  7. awake permalink
    June 17, 2009 5:39 pm

    so are fnm the sacred cow of today’s rock music ?

    i don’t think so.

    maybe the critics are right ?

    maybe the band is confused on what a 1993 act is doing at 2009 ?

    maybe they are only doing it for the money and not because of creative hunger ?

    maybe we should had seen them when they were really happening and creating music circa 1992-1997 ?

    maybe you should think for yourself question authority and kill your sacred cows ?

    maybe ?

    • Liz permalink
      June 18, 2009 11:32 am

      Thank you! Some sense.

    • June 29, 2009 6:39 pm

      In 1993, FNM were ahead of their time. They are still ahead of their time and just as good as anyone out there. The music is unmatched in it’s creativity and that is why they have come back. The best band in the world. Certainly the most original and most emulated. They are hugely influential and deserve to be at the top again. True creativity will always win over the emulators like Limp Bizcuit, and tons of other nu-metal acts who are copying FNM without even realizing it.

    • VTEC375 permalink
      September 26, 2009 5:07 pm

      Maybe you should take a flying leap??

      Maybe you should go back to listening to 311 or something?

      Maybe your moma dropped you on your head too many times?

      Maybe youre the sacred cow…

      Maybe??

  8. Lakerboy permalink
    June 17, 2009 5:39 pm

    Personally I don’t mind the bad reviews, I’, just having a blast reading them… but the main thing is, all new bands are ejaculating on the FNM reunion, thats the best promotion u can get. I realized a week ago that there are rally np young people who even know FNM just because they didn’t exist thae last decade… But they’re coming around again. As long as Durst is wearing their shirts while monkeying onstage and that Gaga lady plus Lacuna Coil chick drool over FNM, what more can u ask for 😉 ? We all know the music IS JUST GOOD, we all know that!
    But U know what would make my life absolutely complete?

    A GODDAMN MR BUNGLE REUNION!!!!!

    Novarock, here I come!

  9. Lakerboy permalink
    June 17, 2009 5:41 pm

    I can promise u now that my review won’t be negative 😉

  10. Michael Bolger permalink
    June 17, 2009 5:41 pm

    I’m actually enjoying all the negative reviews, especially the ill informed ones.

    That’s always been a part of Faith No More’s charm, being hated.

    Just like people HATED them when they opened up for Metallica’s and Justice for All tour.

    Or that time Patton encouraged everyone to throw their water bottles up on stage and the air was filled with derby.

    That’s part of the FNM dynamic that I think a lot of people have forgotten, people hating them and directing that energy either in negative reviews or water bottles full of piss thrown on the stage. I think to a certain extent FNM actually appreciates that as an honest reaction and that encourages them to respond in turn.

    I say keep posting the reviews, positive, negative, ill informed, all of it.

  11. Travis permalink
    June 17, 2009 5:44 pm

    Keep posting all the reviews you can; good or bad. Pleasethanks.

  12. June 17, 2009 6:26 pm

    I won’t deny the negative reviews leave me a bit sad. But I think it’s a good thing you’re posting them.

    Were there any positive reviews of the Berlin gig? :s

    I can understand the questioning of their relevance these days… But I suppose you could say the same about most indie bands who are still releasing new music… are they relevant? Most probably aren’t…

    I do have a friend who’s pretty demanding, went to the Brixton show and loved it, though. So I’m hoping the Portugal show will please me too.

    And Michael is right when he says there’s a charm to FNM being «hated»: there always has : )

  13. June 17, 2009 6:27 pm

    As far as getting good reviews go, FNM has always divided critic’s opinions and if you ask me, they enjoy it.
    They are not the kind of band that will change anything they do because of a bad review.

    This is not necessarily related to the being “older”.
    It’s always been like this.
    A big part of the british press see MP as a child arrogant kid onstage.
    This happens since he joined the band.. so what’s new?

  14. June 17, 2009 6:28 pm

    Another thing: isn’t a reunion tour (when there’s no new album) meant to be «redundant»? Look at the Pixies… they played Portugal 3 or 4 times with no new material.

  15. thomas permalink
    June 17, 2009 6:44 pm

    Well, I could translate the two reviews, if you want, but actually you already got the main points.

    • monaghanunited permalink*
      June 17, 2009 7:17 pm

      The final par on the Tageszeitung one would be greatly appreciated

  16. The Fiend permalink
    June 17, 2009 7:12 pm

    I find the negative reviews quite interesting actually It makes me smile when such reviewers miss the point and context from which FNM deliver their sonic mind-fuck. And to be fair, if FNM were ever to genuinely deliver a poor performance I would still want to read about it and have a balanced information base. I appreciate the non-partisan approach of this website as it is not merely a vehicle for fan-boy onanism over FNM. This website has become an addiction for me and I cannot even imagine the work that has gone into cultivating the beautiful monster that it has become; so thank you very very much for what you have done here. The site is blocked at my work so my daily routine after work is going straight to this site and trawling through the day’s updates. I’ve missed countless gym sessions and the outdoor evening sun thanks to this bloody site…it’s ruining my life!!!

    As for the Berlin show, I think it kicked the ass off the Brixton show!!! It was unreal. Great crowd, very friendly atmosphere, amazing venue, ridiculously easy access to the area on public transport (Up yours London tube strikers!!), cheap beer for sale all along the walk-way to the venue through the forest (cheap compared to Irish prices anyway!) the most friendly and polite (yet unreservedly explosive) mosh-pit I’ve ever seen and FNM blowing the place to pieces, particularly with Patton’s vocal histrionics (altogether more impressive considering his gammy leg). Maybe the sound-guy from Brixton made a couple of brief cameo’s last night before security managed to kick him out and perhaps Jon Hudson has a problem with moving around on stage, but it’s irrelevant, he sounded fucking good….having a few signature moves like the Townsend Windmill or the Angus Young Strut is not indicative of actual quality. He doesn’t have wild stage charisma but in an ironic sense, perhaps his stoical unflappable demeanour is the perfect antithesis to the crazed demented lunatic that screams to his right on stage. (Also, I’m wondering has he ever taken his jacket off in any of the gigs so far???!!). FNM are more relevant now then they have ever been and songs that are over 20 years old still sound fresh and dynamic.

    I have waited so long to finally see FNM, having resigned myself many years ago to believing I never would, that I was still in a suspended state of disbelief and fearful of my expectations not being met such that I was a bit distracted at Brixton. Although it was a mind-blowing experience for me and the sight of the lads lulling us into ‘Reunited’ is something I will never forget, Berlin was an altogether better experience for me. I’m not a musician and couldn’t tell you what a missed chord is or what ‘insecure’ drumming is (a quote used after a previous gig), I just know if it sounds good or not. Well, it sounded good last night, and it’s one of the highlights of my gig/festival career to date. The problem now is I’m wondering how FNM can surpass what they did last night. I can’t fucking believe I have just seen FNM twice in a week and cannot wait to see them again and continue on this most incredible of journeys!!! Awesome.

    • monaghanunited permalink*
      June 17, 2009 7:20 pm

      Cheers for the lengthy reply – glad you like the site. Agree on Jon and he did take this jacket after just one song in Milan but then again it was like a sauna there.

  17. Ben permalink
    June 17, 2009 7:51 pm

    If the reviewer feels faith no more is “redundant” today it’s because bands have been copying their sound for over a decade. Maybe a history lesson would be appropriate….

    Clearly, and sadly, you dont need to pass an IQ test to write reviews so expect alot of these.

  18. Jason permalink
    June 17, 2009 8:04 pm

    The negative reviews… it shouldnt bother me… but it does. = )

  19. June 17, 2009 8:05 pm

    Jon Hudson: I’ve seen the videos of Brixton in YouTube, and downoloaded myself the complete Download concert, and let me tell you, what a great guitar player he is. He can copycat Jim Martin and Trey Spruance (two great guitar players) styles, and yet he add something new, his own “touch”. He can play jazzy, metal, soul, disco, funk, and the sound is always right. And, if you see him closely, you can detect the incredible range of expressions in his face. All the feeling goes there, to the face, not to the body.

    Great blog, by the way.

  20. docwharton permalink
    June 17, 2009 8:08 pm

    I think with all things, you have to take the rough with the smooth. After all, how are the band (if they do read the press and/or this website) going to improve the show and their performance on stage. They must know fine well that they’re not going to get A+++ reviews everytime – they’re big enough and certainly old enough to be able to take it.

    The review in the press is a little harsh, based on the fact that the gigs/shows are a repeat of what was performed 12/13 years ago, and no actual new songs (apart from reunited) have been introduced. So yes, if FNM had sang the same songs, with the same coverductions from way back when, then I would have expected the slating, but the band have introduced new coverductions – so keeping with the times, having a laugh and leading into their own songs.

    I would fully expect that if they get the opportunity to get into the studio to record a new album, that the live versions will be more electric, with coverductions of even newer songs.

    I also find most of the press reviews a load of bollocks anyways. I was at the Download festival and about 5 metres from the front – and it was lively enough, so much so, about 10 girls pushed their way out because it was getting to lively. The negative review said it was tame. You also have to keep in mind, that most of the fans at the gigs over the last week, have never seen the band live, so of course, they might not know how to react so some of the songs, ie, do they start light and go heavy or vice versa.

    Gutted to not be able to get a ticket to Dublin – small venue would have been perfect, not only for the music, but to get close up photos.

  21. June 17, 2009 8:34 pm

    The TAZ-Review is okay. FNM changed the world of music in the 80s and early 90s, so now they have to let themself called superficial. In general I can agree with TAZ here. Mike Patton is an aweful artist and genius, but nobody needs FNM anymore than us melancholic fans and people they never had seen them live before.

  22. June 17, 2009 9:05 pm

    Anybody got a audio bootleg from Berlin? I am very interested. Mike was great.

  23. June 17, 2009 9:14 pm

    It goes without saying but reading it before reminded me how important it is to congratulate the people who built this site!

    I’ve only found out about it on Monday night but ever since I’ve been visiting it several times a day : )

    Thank you for all your work.

  24. June 17, 2009 10:13 pm

    Honestly I don’t care about reviews. I just know what I saw last night in Berlin – great band playnig great tunes. It’s okay for me.

  25. land of sunshine permalink
    June 17, 2009 11:07 pm

    i remember fnm getting god awful reviews even back in the angel dust years simple fact is a lot of people just dont get faith no more me well i dont think theres a band out there that can touch them FACT!!!

  26. Vawklin permalink
    June 17, 2009 11:15 pm

    critics talking about those kikass synths and bass slaps…thats wat makes fnm; fnm soundwise…..there’s alot more to it but shiet….FNM redundant?…gimme a break…i wouldnt be surprised if the critic had a positive review for a miley cyrus concert.

  27. Liz permalink
    June 18, 2009 11:28 am

    Please don’t let this site become a hideous fanboy/girl paradise where only POSITIVE WORDS MUST BE SPOKEN! If some reviews are bad, so what, that’s someone’s legitimate opinion and should be posted.

    All the awful Patton fanboys who think he (and FNM) can do no wrong, please GTFO.

  28. Mole permalink
    June 18, 2009 11:44 am

    The band were amazing at the show, and even got called back for an extra encore. Trouble is we are responding to a person who writes about music, there are only 2 types of music, Good and bad. The trouble is that we have our own perceptions of good and bad.

    Did he review the Pixies in the same way? It’s as stroll down memory lane, and as for the old joke about Poker Face why didn’t he complain as Chuck used to do it as well?

    Waiting for my next show………….

  29. Lily permalink
    June 18, 2009 12:08 pm

    Beeing a german native speaker i can only say that both reviews are not convincing.Style an structure ist poor esp. the taz review.

    Maybe someone was frustrated about the “no-press-policy”…

    As long as Band AND Fans are enjoying this tour, why care about some journalists that already knew they wouldn´t like it before the concert even started.

  30. June 18, 2009 8:51 pm

    German: Das war hier keine Herzensangelegenheit, sondern eine Geldabgreifaktion. Und das macht mich sehr, sehr traurig. Am liebsten wäre ich tot. Es ist wie im Traum der toten Geliebten noch einmal begegnet zu sein und dann zu erwachen: Sie ist doch tot!!!

    Ich hätte nicht übel Lust, nach Frankfurt zu fahren und Mike 2 Stunden lang aus der ersten Reihe meinen Hass entgegen zu schleudern.

    • Ntn permalink
      June 19, 2009 6:40 am

      Hi fernetpunker, is that german quote from a review, or is it your own words?

  31. June 19, 2009 3:03 pm

    own words!

  32. Miss Chievous permalink
    June 28, 2009 2:57 pm

    F*ck that guy !!!

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